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IMAGE: Ellen Ochoa
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Preflight Interview: Ellen Ochoa

The STS-110 Crew Interviews with Ellen Ochoa, mission specialist.

Ellen, tell us about the mission in a nutshell: what are the main goals of STS-110?

Well, looking at where we are with the space station right now-we've assembled a working space station, and it has one major laboratory, provided by the United States-and now we're trying to look to the next level, where we're going to build up the Laboratory space and allow a wider variety of experiments to be conducted. And in order to do that we're going to need to provide more power. And so, what we're doing is bringing up the first piece of the truss, which will eventually be three hundred feet long and have an acre of solar arrays hung off the end to provide that power.

This is your fourth shuttle mission; how's it stack up against what you've done before?

Well, my last mission, my third mission, was actually the first mission to dock with the International Space Station, and at that time it only had two modules and no crew on board. So it's really exciting to be able to come back now and visit it when it has so many more modules- I think the inhabitable volume now is about that of a three-bedroom house-and there's a crew living on board who will greet us once we get there, and then to be able to grow the station and add a piece that it really needs in order to make it a more useful laboratory.

Having been to this station before, albeit a remarkably smaller version of the station, is that experience advantageous to you and your crewmates as you get ready to fly this mission?

It's helpful for our crew to have had some of the members having been to station before; it makes you a little bit more familiar with the rendezvous and docking, with the ingress into station and the egress. But in fact, the module that I'm going to be spending the most time in has been added since I was last there, and that's the U.S. Lab, Destiny, where the robotic workstation is. So that'll be a new experience for me, to see that module and to be able to actually operate from it.

Your, as you've said, your fourth shuttle mission…tell me how you got to be an astronaut, anyway…I mean, the course of your education or your career that got you qualified for a job like this.

I became interested in science and engineering when I was in college, and ended up majoring in physics, and then I went on to graduate school because I wanted to do research in engineering. And, it was when I was at graduate school that some friends of mine were applying to NASA, and that was really the first time I heard about what the process is like and what type of people NASA looks for. And after I contacted NASA myself and realized that I would be eligible to apply once I finished up my Ph.D., well, that's when I became really excited about trying to pursue this as a career and combine my interests in research and space exploration.

Do you know where the interest in science and research in itself came from?

Well, I think my interest in math is probably what led me into science and engineering. I always liked math in school, and took calculus in high school, and finished it up in college even though I wasn't, at that time, studying in math and science. And that's kind of what led me to look at the fields of study that used math and used calculus and differential equations and that's what got me interested in physics.

Leading, as you just said, on to college and an interest in, awakening an interest in becoming an astronaut. You look back now at those various steps along the way, do you see that there were special people, or individuals, or more than one, that were pretty influential in you making the progression that you did?

I had a number of teachers that certainly encouraged me in specific areas, or just overall were important influences, but I think the number one influence would be my mother partly just because of the way she raised me and my four siblings, and partly because of her love of learning. She went to college part-time for twenty years, and finally graduated a couple of years after I did. And it was just because she was interesting in all the courses that the school had to offer and wanted to learn more.

Let's talk about the mission. You mentioned the primary payload on this mission, which is a truss segment known by the designation S0. Introduce me to it: tell me about how big it is, and where it goes, and what it does.

Well, S0 is about forty-three feet long, and it's the first segment, it's the middle segment, actually, of a long truss structure which will eventually be three hundred feet long. It's hexagonal in cross section, and the width and the height are about fourteen feet each. And we call it a structural attach point, or a structural segment, but it's really quite a bit more than that: if you get close to S0 you realize that it's covered with equipment. It has computers, it has fluid lines, miles of cable, almost a thousand electrical connections-so it's really quite a bit more than what we normally refer to it as.

So, not just a structural member but a place where systems reside, including something that's launching on it, the Mobile Transporter. Tell us how that adds to the station, too.

Well, the Mobile Transporter is one piece of a larger system which will allow the station's robot arm to move all up and down the length of the truss segment. The flight that goes to station after ours will bring up another piece, which will allow the robot arm to attach to the Mobile Transporter. And on our flight the Mobile Transporter-it's already attached to S0 when we bring it up-during the spacewalks we'll be unreeling and installing the power and data cables to the Mobile Transporter, and then through ground commanding we'll actually see it move for the first time.

I understand it's going to really zip along.

Well, it doesn't move very fast, but it doesn't need to. Its primary goal, of course, is to allow the robot arm to get to all different servicing sites along the truss, and that's generally something that you would plan for in advance and have plenty of time to move to that site whenever you would need to.

Before we talk about the details of the spacewalks, as you referred to, set the stage by telling us about what your top jobs are going to be during the ten, twelve days of this mission.

Well, I've been fortunate enough to fly the shuttle robot arm on my three previous flights, and on this flight I'm moving on to the new station robot arm. And we're using that arm in two main ways: and the first is to actually reach into the shuttle payload bay to unberth the S0 truss and move it around and install it onto the space station, on top of the Lab; and then, we use it during all four of the spacewalks with a crewmember attached to it to move that crewmember around to all the various different worksites that he'll need to get to during the spacewalks.

What's the reasoning behind the assignment of a shuttle crewmember to be an operator of the space station robot arm, or am I thinking in too strict a proprietary way about that?

Well, we actually have three people that are trained on the station robot arm, and two of them are already on station right now -- Dan Bursch and Carl Walz -- and I'm the third person. And the reason we've trained people on both the shuttle and the station crew is so that, a lot of the training for this mission, both for the S0 install and for the spacewalks, occurred after Dan and Carl launched into orbit. And while they can do some types of training on orbit, it really helps to be down here on the ground working directly, day-to-day, with the spacewalkers, or with any last minute changes to the install. So I'll have sort of the up-to-date information about all the tasks, whereas Dan and Carl will bring to the table the actual flight experience of using the arm.

You mentioned that you have had a lot of experience in running the space shuttle robot arm on your previous missions; from your training on the Big Arm and I'm sure talking with folks who've run it before, what do you think are going to be the important differences in terms of operating one robot versus the other?

Well, when you first look at the station arm, I think the main difference that you see from that and the shuttle arm is that both ends are identical, so either end can operate as the shoulder joint, which is the joint that attaches to the station and either end can operate as the wrist joint, which is the joint that you think of that's free flying and the one that you move around. And that means each end has the same three joints that allow pitch, yaw, and roll motions, and then there's a joint in the middle, so that's a total of seven joints versus six on the shuttle arm. And that means that the arm can choose a variety of ways to move to a designated point in space, and one of the differences, then, is choosing how it's going to move, which control algorithm to use. We often choose to hold or lock one of the joints, and kind of turn it from a seven-joint into a six-joint arm just to make the trajectory known and something that you can practice to that's repeatable. Another difference is that all the joints have a range of motion of 440 degrees, which is different again than the shuttle arm, and it's quite a bit wider range of motion. So, these things add up to a lot more flexibility in the station arm and also more capability-it can actually move around a mass the size of the space shuttle itself. But it also adds complexity, both to the planning task and to the flying task. And so when you have tasks with the station arm that you want to complete in a fairly short amount of time, such as when you're supporting a spacewalk, then you really need to carefully choreograph those tasks so that you make sure you don't get into a situation where it would take a real long time to have to reconfigure all the joints to get from one position to another.

Let's talk about the events of the mission, carried through from start to finish. After launch the first really critical thing is to dock the two spaceships together. Tell me what you're going to do on docking day, and describe how that activity's completed.

My primary job during the rendezvous is to operate a laptop computer that runs a trajectory program. And you get information from various sensors as the inputs to this program-from the shuttle rendezvous radar, from a laser ranging device that we have in the payload bay, and from a handheld device that Rex is actually shooting out the window at the station-and we plot that all on a screen and that gives a lot of good information on the range and the range rate and trajectory predictions to the Commander, who's flying the rendezvous. During the actual, once we've actually docked and we're starting the hard mate with the two mating surfaces, then I work with Jerry to complete that whole hard-mating process, which usually takes several minutes after the initial contact.

The rendezvous protocol on this mission is the reverse of what it was on your last trip to the station, isn't it?

In terms of the trajectory, where…

…where you're coming from.

That's right. On the last time, we had the Earth below us and we were coming down essentially from above the Earth with the station in between. And now, we're along what we call the V-bar, which is a trajectory out in front of the station and the Earth is below both us and the station, and we're moving sort of backwards toward the station.

After Mike Bloomfield brings these two ships together during the rest of that day, the third day of your flight, most of the time is taken up with the scheduled S0 dry run installation…thank you. Tell me what you're going to be doing, what, and why, you're going to walk through that procedure on that day.

Well, actually after we dock, probably one of the main things that we do is Steve Frick and I do a, set up a checkout of the video system because all of the robotic tasks really depend on us being able to route shuttle camera scenes over to the robotic workstation on the International Space Station, and there's a couple of specific cameras that aren't normally set up that we have to set up for our use, and we're going to check out all that system. And then I'm going to get a chance to actually operate the station robotic arm for the first time, and it's really a chance for me to get on the controls, see what they actually feel like, see how the arm flies for myself, before the next morning when I actually unberth the S0 truss segment out of the payload bay.

A chance to actually do the work a bit before you have this piece of hardware exposed?

Right.

The installation of the S0 truss, as you said, comes up the next day, and it starts with robot arm operations hours before your crewmates walk, go out of the Airlock. Tell me about that day. Tell us what's going to happen.

The plan is to have the S0 truss segment mechanically attached to the U.S. Lab before the spacewalk ever starts, so that you make the maximum amount of use of the spacewalking time. So, it will start with me on the station arm, and I will go ahead and grapple it in the shuttle payload bay, then unberth it out of the bay. And then at other points in this procedure both Carl and Dan will be operating the station arm, and we'll move it around into position where we're getting ready to actually install it on the Lab, and Dan will be doing the final install where he actually makes the first connection onto the Lab. And then Lee, on the shuttle crew, and Carl Walz, on the station crew, will send the commands which actually close the capture latches and provide that mechanical attachment. Once that's complete, then the spacewalking crewmembers, who have spent the morning getting ready for their spacewalk, will come out of the Airlock and start their tasks.

Given the way the shuttle is docked to the station and where the payload bay is pointed, then you're really reaching under the Lab with the arm to grab something and then put it on top of your head?

Yes. In fact the arm itself is attached under the Lab. So, it then reaches further back into the payload bay, but then it does come around onto the zenith side of the Laboratory to do the actual installation.

Once it's latched into place, as you described, Steve and Rex go out the Airlock but the arms are still involved. Tell us about what's going to happen during the hours that they're outside.

While Steve and Rex are just starting the EVA, coming out of the Airlock, we're ungrappling the arm from S0, now that it has that mechanical attachment, and moving around in place so that Steve's going to come over and attach a footplate to the arm, and then Rex is going to get on the arm and he's going to stay on, attached to the arm, during the entire spacewalk. The first couple of things that we're going to do are to make the hard structural attachment of two struts on the forward side of S0, so we swing them out from S0 and then they attach to the Lab, and there's a number of bolts that have to be driven and Rex is actually driving those bolts. So he'll be on the arm on both of those struts, doing those. Then, the second major task is to go up to the zenith side of S0, and there's two very long avionics trays, and we're going to unbolt those from S0, and then Rex is going to install one on the starboard side of the Lab and one on the port side of the Lab, and in each case he makes a number of connections, which are going to provide power and data to S0 itself. Once that's complete, then we do a task where we unreel and install one of the two cables that attaches to the Mobile Transporter, and that will allow the ground to send up some preliminary commands to turn the heaters on the Mobile Transporter.

And all along this time you-all of you, the group of you-are working against something of a deadline in getting these connections made, right?

Well, that's right. Once we unberth S0 from the payload bay, it's now in a very different thermal environment than when it was in the payload bay. And, what we're concerned about is temperatures dropping and some of the boxes, some of the computers, and electrical distribution boxes attached to S0, getting too cold. So we do need to make these connections pretty quickly on the first EVA so that we can actually power up some heaters and keep these boxes warm enough.

There's a second spacewalk scheduled for day after that…skip a day, and the day after that… once again you're going to be at the arm controls; tell us about what the arm is going to do and what the tasks are in the second spacewalk of the mission.

On the second spacewalk, Lee is going to be the person riding on the arm the whole time. And on the first spacewalk we completed the attachment of the two forward struts, and our first task on the second EVA is to do the attachment of the two aft struts. So, I'll be taking Lee first to one position, and then moving sort of all the way under the Lab with the arm and back up the other side, to do the other aft strut. And once that's complete, that's a real milestone for our crew because that means the entire structural attachment of S0 to the station is complete. And then, our next task is to remove some pieces of equipment from S0 that were only needed to attach it to the shuttle payload bay for the trip into orbit, so we're going to be taking those off and stowing them out of the way. And then, finally, we're going to be unreeling and installing the second of the two cables for the Mobile Transporter, so that will actually have all of its cables hooked up after that.

And so, I think then that you've got another spacewalk where you're maneuvering one of your crewmates around throughout the whole operation. The third spacewalk is scheduled for the day after that, and the work, as far as the arm's concerned, a little different this time.

On the third spacewalk the shuttle and the station arm kind of switch roles. In the first two we were using the station arm to move a crewmember around, and we were using the shuttle arm only to provide camera views to the station arm operator; on the third EVA it's the exact opposite-the shuttle arm is moving a spacewalking crewmember around, and we're using the station arm to provide some views. And the major goal of the third spacewalk is to do a complete power and data cable reconfiguration so that once it's done, the station robot arm is actually powered through S0, and then the power flows out to the arm through the S0. So, at the end of the EVA, we will power up the station arm, and one of the last tasks, we will have Steve attached to the arm to deploy the Airlock Spur, which is essentially a translation aid that allows spacewalkers to get easily from the Airlock to S0 and then onto the Lab.

A little walkway from the airlock...

Right…

…out to…

…a handhold.

…that area. And so during the third spacewalk, since the plug's being pulled on Canadarm2, so to speak, it's not going to be in use.

Not until near the end, after it's powered back up and we go on to the Airlock Spur task. The rest of the time we won't be using the arm other than the cameras, but we do have some reconfiguration inside the space station, some cable reconfiguration, that has to occur in conjunction with the cable reconfiguration that they're doing outside.

The following day the major activity that's planned is a checkout of the Mobile Transporter; we haven't forgotten that he's out there. What is it that you all, you crewmembers, have to do or are planning to do, during that day?

Really, the on board task is just to provide some camera views to the ground so that as they send their commands, they have a good visual feedback on whether or not the Mobile Transporter is moving and whether it seems to be moving normally. But in fact, all the commanding is planned to be done by the ground team at Mission Control.

But this is the point at which we, if it goes right, we will see this begin to slide up and down on the truss?

Yes, this would be the day that we would, for the first time, see the Mobile Transporter actually move.

I think you mentioned earlier that there's still an additional component of this whole system still to come before the arm would start to ride this, right?

That's right. It's called the Mobile Base System, and it's really the "adapter plate" between the Mobile Transporter and the station robot arm. It actually has four different grapple fixtures that the arm can attach to giving it again a wider range of motion as it moves up and down along the truss to reach various worksites.

The day after the Mobile Transporter checkout is the fourth spacewalk of your mission; you're going to [go] back to work in the Destiny Laboratory, right?

Yes, I'll be back at the robotics workstation, and on the fourth EVA Jerry will be riding an arm, so that means everybody's gotten a chance to be on the arm. And we're doing a variety of different tasks on this spacewalk: we'll be installing lights on the Node and the Lab, we'll be installing energy absorbers on the Mobile Transporter, and also be installing some handrails on S0 itself.

As I think your crewmates have described that those are sort of catch-up tasks or small tasks, none of which are critical. There's always a possibility that some of what you want to do to install the S0 or the MT won't go exactly the way you've been training for it, although I know you've been training to respond to things that don't go right-what are some of the important failure scenarios that you would look for, and how do you intend to respond to them if they crop up?

Well, we have backup methods of providing power to S0 if our primary method of installing the avionics trays and making all the connections either gets behind the timeline or there's some problem with that, 'cause we do want to make sure and get power to S0, somehow, during the first EVA. And then, the spacewalking community has come up with a variety of backup plans if various tasks don't go quite as planned. And because we have four spacewalks planned, we always have the opportunity on the fourth spacewalk to finish up higher-priority tasks from the first three, if they weren't accomplished on those.

While the bulk of the activity, obviously, is taken up with spacewalking, there's other work going on during the time that Atlantis is docked to the station: transfers of supplies and equipment and whatnot. Tell me about some of the other items that you and your crewmates are bringing up for Yury, Carl and Dan.

The items that we're transferring probably fall into two categories, and one is the science experiments-so we are changing out a few of the experiments, bringing up some new ones for them to operate, and taking home some of the ones that they've actually been working on for quite a while. And then the other category would be just operational or personal items like laptop computers, transferring water, things like that, extra spacewalking equipment… things that they need to live and work every day on board the space station.

It's a lot of work that's scheduled for your trip; are you guys going to have, be able to find any time to have any fun?

Well, we do have a very busy timeline, but we are planning, of course, some time together with both crews, we have a couple of special meals planned where we've brought some special food and music, and I think we're all really looking forward to sitting down together and swapping stories.

We are bringing instruments?

Well of course, you probably know Carl is a singer and has a keyboard on board already, so that's probably what we'll hear the most of. And then we just have some tapes and other things like that.

The International Space Station is a, going to be a much bigger science laboratory than it already is; it's the main mission of it. It's also a place that's being designed to develop technology and encourage research and development, and it's a place where people can learn how to work together, people from different countries. You've been there once, you've been an astronaut for a number of years and been around while we've worked with various countries, so I'd like to get your perspective: do you think, what is it that you think is the most valuable aspect of the International Space Station?

Well, I don't know that I can really choose one. I really see the benefits as being threefold. And one of them is that the research we're conducting on board is of benefit to the Earth. We're looking at medical advances, at new materials development, at environmental sensing, all things that are important to people here on Earth. And secondly, is the technology aspects, especially of developing ways for advanced human space exploration. If we do want to mount a mission to the moon or to Mars, there's still a lot that we have to learn, and really, we think of the space station as our test bed for checking out those technologies and also learning more about the medical aspects for humans. And then, third, it's just an incredible international venture where you have people from all over the world getting together assembling an incredibly complex vehicle, and working together for items that really benefit people around the world.

All of that in mind, how do you feel about the idea that you get to play such an important and visible part in it?

I feel very fortunate to play what is really essentially a small role in the overall assembly and operation of the International Space Station. And I know when I was there before what I really thought about were all the people-not just at NASA, but around the country and around the world, whose hard work and dedication had made it a reality.


Curator: Kim Dismukes | Responsible NASA Official: John Ira Petty | Updated: 04/24/2002
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